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Discussion in 'The Stump' started by CAC, Dec 9, 2015.

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  1. Takao

    Takao Ace

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    Thank you.
     
  2. denny

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    Trump will never be elected.
    1. There are not that many nut-bags that vote.
    2. He does not want to be president, he is a shill for the Clinton Campaign. He has been a big donor and friend of theirs and to them for years.
    The idea that The USA has democratic elections is laughable. We have the best Government That Money Can Buy.
    Campaign financing should all be publicly funded and controlled.....unless you want to continue the plethora of Elite/Political Class Presidents that represent the wealthy minority to forever sleep in The White House.....ensured by a one party system of factionanlized splinters of the same piece of wood.
     
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    Slipdigit Good Ol' Boy Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    I don't know, anything can happen. Who would have ever thought that a jug-eared pamphleteer with who had never held an actual job would be stinking up the Oval Orifice today?
     
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    LJAd Well-Known Member

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    This is not an answer on the question ,which was : proof that Ike gave Iran nuclear weapons .

    Besides, if The Atoms for Peace program provided nuclear technology to Iran, why does Iran still need nuclear technology ,and why did Obama give Iran nuclear technology, knowing that Iran would abuse of it (what the Shah never did) :reality is that Iran used the nuclear technology provided by Obama for military aims and that every one knew that Iran would do this . Thus the defense from the White House -these SOB did betray us- is not valid.

    The transfer of nuclear technology by the White House to Iran proves a long term strategy which will result in a nuclear war in the Middle East .
     
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    LJAd Well-Known Member

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    1) there were enough nut-bags to vote for Obama

    2) how do you know ?

    3) "The best government that money can buy " does not mean that elections are not democratic
     
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    Observations from a political junkie. Me. I'm often wrong, but I think this is how it's going to play out and why.

    The arithmetic isn't there for Trump to get the 1,237 delegates needed to win the nomination outright. So, it's going to be a contested convention with multiple votes that absolutely will NOT go well for Trump. Cruz isn't far behind Trump, and looks to gain even more ground in the coming primaries. Not enough to top Trump, but enough to be a close second.

    Rubio, even though he's dropped out, has 170 delegates that he can give to any of the three candidates with a simple endorsement. They aren't going to Trump, because those two have been absolutely venomous to each other. He can give them to Kasich or Cruz, but almost certainly Cruz. These guys are all politicians, so he's going to get something in exchange - a cabinet position likely. There are another ten or so delegates held by the other drop-outs and those will also be awarded in the first ballot with a simple endorsement. Cruz is floating Fiorina for RNC Chairman for her endorsement, and she held only one delegate! Carson had 9 delegates to give to Trump, and he's being floated for Department of Education or Surgeon General by Trump. You can see how important these endorsements/delegate swaps are.

    If nobody has the magic 1,237 delegates after the first vote, the rules begin to loosen up and the delegates get more and more power to vote for whoever they want, theoretically. BUT, most of these people are lifetime GOP stalwarts and will tend to go where the party pushes them. They won't push them towards Trump.

    I don't see the Kasich campaign catching fire, so he's only hanging in to make a deal, or maybe he has a vague hope of the Republican establishment getting behind him as a moderate. If the second thing is his plan, he's kidding himself. Right now he has 143 delegates, perhaps he'll have 225 or 250 by the time the convention begins. If the Republicans were to manipulate the guy trailing behind by 900 or so delegates (Kasich) into the presidential nomination it would be a disaster. They'd be pissing off 80% of the people that elected them. It's become pretty clear that Republicans want an outsider and Cruz, like Trump, is viewed as such. Cruz has been spitting in McConnell's face ever since he entered the Senate, but he's close enough to Trump in delegates (and looks to gain even more ground), that I think he will be the logical choice, and may even be an honest choice. I suspect Kasich is only hanging in to make a deal at the last minute - vice president likely. His delegates (and Rubio's) alone might put Cruz above 1,237 by the time the convention begins.

    So, there it is. Despite all the Trump hoopla, I think Cruz will be the Republican presidential nominee. We could do worse. He's brilliant, argued dozens of cases in the Supreme Court, and is polished enough to gut Hillary in the debates. I was supporting Scott Walker when it began, but I can live with Cruz.

    On the Dem side, it's Hillary. Period. The democrats don't have a nomination process, they have a coronation. The party has 700 "superdelegates" that vote for the party choice no matter who the voters have selected. They are all going to Hillary. Even in states that Sanders has won, Hillary has walked away with more delegates.

    What happens after that, I don't know. The pundits favor Hillary over Cruz, but she has so much open corruption, bribes, scandals, dirt attached that she could get dragged down pretty easy. The Republicans have held back on attacking Hillary, waiting to throw it in the average know-nothing voter's face when the actual election begins. Timing is everything. And don't forget, the dems are in revolt also and want an outsider - that's why socialist Bernie is so popular. The Democrats are going to be angry when they hand it to Hillary. Hillary doesn't generate excitement for anybody - ask Bill.

    I'm going to stock up on popcorn and wait for the games to begin.
     
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    Tamino Doc - The Deplorable

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    But KB, don't be so modest - I am much more often wrong than you are and still - I wrote almost 2K posts and I'm still alive. At least long enough to see Trump live, here in Slovenia, a country of birth of future gorgeous Mrs. President of the United States. Place of birth of Melania Trump is a small town Sevnica - inhabitants of that almost vlage are feverishly preparing to welcome a man with an annual turnover larger than that of our entire country.
    A photo of Sevnica - the place of birth of future Mrs. President:
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    Is that Your House there.....the one at the top of the little hill.? :)
     
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    Never cared much for The Quoting game...but sense you like to play:
    1. Different KIND of nut-bags.
    2. An educated guess from following him for many years.
    3. Yes it does.....THAT is exactly what it means. :)
     
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    Tamino Doc - The Deplorable

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    Unfortunately not, denny - that used to be home of a feudal lord who owned the land and collected duties and enforcing ius primus noctis - the right of the first night, the right to have sex with any peasant bride in his domain on the first night of her marriage.

    Its good to be a landlord:

    [​IMG]
     
  11. Poppy

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    Anything is possible, but I wouldn't bet on it. It's more likely the future Mrs. President will be Hillary's squeeze, Huma Abedin, an Iranian.
     
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    Tamino Doc - The Deplorable

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    Thanks poppy - that was good apolitical read!

    As long as you come here legally…We need immigrants. Who’s going to vacuum our living rooms and clean up after us?
    - Ivana Trump

    She has forgotten that at the time she left Czechoslovakia, her countrymen earned about 50-100 bucks - a month. She cashed her then stunning body for a chunk of Trumps' fortune.
     
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    Yeah, you might be right. Last time was Afro-American this time a woman. What's next - a gay? (Read disclaimer first, please, before you :whip: )

    Disclaimer: I ain't no racist neither a sexist - I'm just trying to figure out what can happen when negative effects of sexism and racism kick in. Do you still remember good old OJ Simpson? Positive intentions may have rather negative impact.
     
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    "What's next - a gay?"
    Well, bubble boy Rubio and Clinton still have a shot.
     
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    Well then...Proof that Obama gave nuclear weapons to Iran.
     
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    You don't follow current events?
     
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    You mean that Iran has detonated a nuclear weapon?

    I was under the impression that it was north korea that conducted the test detonation.
     
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    Not yet. The deal Obama engineered with the Islamic crazies running Iran allows them to go forward with nuclear and missile work, freed up between 50 and 100 billion of dollars last year to pay for it and 40 billion each year from now on. Best of all, they do their own inspections and let us know if they find any nuclear weapon work going on, all while they organize huge rallies shouting "Death to America" and "Death to Israel."

    That Obama is one smooth negotiator! What could go wrong?
     
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