Hitler talks with Mannerheim about war in russia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8raDPASvq0

(Sorry if this was already posted)

 

there's audio of hitler conversing, 'normally'? what??????

 

Fascinating

 

Using the Mannerheim tape, and other tools, to give voice to some of Hitler's home movies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDBO-zhnLEY

 

Hitler was well known to tailor the truthfulness of his remarks to his audience so I'm not sure if his account of his talks with Molotov were fact or fiction.

 

Well this is probably one of the first times I have actually heard Hitler talking without raising his voice. Very interesting though.

 

The Finnish engineer of the broadcasting company YLE, Thor Damen, succeeded in recording the first 11 minutes of Hitler's and Mannerheim's private conversation. Since Hitler never allowed anyone to record him off-guard, it had to be done secretly. Damen's original purpose was to record official birthday speeches and Mannerheim's responses. However, Damen decided to continue recording after the conversation switched from official to private.

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Many say that it cannot be Hitler because he does not raise his voice but the other people on tape can be recognized easily so it must be Hitler, at least I believe it. Bruno Ganz used this as one example how to copy Hitler´s speaking in Downfall.

 

yes, are these authenticated as hitler?

 

They have been authenticated. His bodyguard was on the fence as to whether it was really him speaking saying that his "intonation" was off. The story does fit the time, place, content of conversation and people involved. I believe it.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=wUu9VP3CLrWBsQSJrYDADw&url=http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_and_Mannerheim_recording&ved=0CCAQFjAB&usg=AFQjCNGx-9ZNfqDyyViR6Wdk_arqvscN9A

 

Well I have a trained hearing (I made music for while and mastering etc.) and imho this sounds like Hitler, the accept is authentic. Also he says things only Hitler or someone from High Command would know.....didn´t know Mannerhein speaks so well German however.

 

Actually Mannerheim was speaking better Swedish, German and Russian than Finnish...probably French,too originally he was an officer in the Imperial Russian army (Mannerheim served in the Imperial Chevalier Guard until 1904).

the fact that he was in the Imperial army and a Chevalier Guard has probably made him also famous in Russia, and the places where he lived and stayed are marked with signs in St Petersburg as I recall...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Gustaf_Emil_Mannerheim

Museum of Mannerheim in St Petersburg

http://www.marshal-hotel.com/museum/

A nazi co-operator´s museum in St Petersburg?

 

Pretty intelligent guy, I tried to learn French but gave up - beautiful language tho

 

AFAIK this is the only known recording of him talking in a normal conversation.

 

I believe you are correct. Makes sense that it was done in secret. I find it interesting how Hitler's personal SS bodyguard didn't just demand and physically take the recording. Possibly bad relations.

 

Not sure but as Mannerheim was the birthday hero on that day perhaps the SS bodyguard in the end did not want to create a chaos close to Mannerheim then. It was also a point when Hitler was convincing Mannerheim that staying with Germany was the no 1 choice.

 

I heard this tape a while ago.....from what I remember:
notice how in the beginning Hitler is moaning and whining about how he didnot expect the soviets to have sooooo many tanks (..so that what ? Hitler would not have invaded Russia?), to conclude via other topics and coming to the steepening demands of molotov about Finland and Romania that he was right in attacking Russia first and asap.

So what does this tell us ? about his psyche ? about the right decision ?

 

Just that Hitler is moaning about the 20,000 Soviet tanks that he did not know about but his view was that the system was rotten not the tanks, so actually he was just explaining why the war was not won as he promised. For example the Finnish soldiers were promised that they would be back home for the harvest in 1941 by the Finnish war "system and propaganda" which did not take place as we know it. His main idea was to keep Finland in war, I think, and visiting Mannerheim´s 75th birthday was the propaganda victory he wanted.

 

That makes sense. This got me thinking how much were the Finns involved during the continuation war and the siege of Leningrad? You always hear about the German side but I have never heard about the Finns during the siege.

 

The Finns actually stopped some 40-50 kilometers from Leningrad. Hitler and his generals kept on pressing the Finns on attacking further but Mannerheim had decided that he would not go further with the Army. I am in a way surprised that Hitler did not put more pressure as pushing from north might have been a decisive change for the defence of Leningrad. Mannerheim kept his decision and probably Mannerheim did this for political reasons as the Allied kept bombing him with with telegrams of possible postwar outcome if the Finns kept pushing too deep into the USSR. Practically the lines were quite stable since December 1941 to june 1944 between Finland and the USSR but also several very heavy fighting places took place.

One example of Finnish "neutral" position was that the streets of Leningrad had signs saying that there would be no fear of artillery fire or bombers from North ( i.e. Finnish army).

 

My friend has a collection of Mannerheim visiting cards. Mostly in Swedish and Russian...